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A server is a symbolized habit, or automatic unconscious process. Automating mental processes can be useful so that's why people make them. Symbolizing them is not really necessary but it helps people conceptualize them as a concrete "thing" rather than being vague and uncategorized.

A person would identify the servitor as separate from themselves

do I have a song-stuck-in-head "servitor" then? I find that idea ridiculous. It makes the idea of a "servitor" broad enough to be completely meaningless.

I mean, is the song stuck in your head your thought?

3:43 AM

Or is it discernibly not you?

I could look at what Data is doing to decide things, but again, it's systematic. It has no idea that isn't a part of what it was programmed to do.

You might have a song stuck in head servitor if you felt that there was a "thing" playing that song rather than just a song playing in your head.

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I'd say servitors are discernibly not you, otherwise it's a habit.

With a key distinction being that felt means "felt" rather than "imagined". I can imagine that something comes from somebody else, but to feel that it does is a ton more effort and a lot "deeper"

If you wanted to control the song in your head better, you might make a servitor to train/trick yourself into doing it better

@Reguile I've imagined it. I even made some vague attempts at forcing that idea back when I first learned about tulpas. No results though. I've never really "felt" that they come from something else. But @Mina I'm certainly not intentionally deciding to make them stuck in my head.

It's not about intention.

3:47 AM

Ideally, a servitor will be following your intentions.

@Felight how would I even do that? Look, there are tulpa guides out there. Not all of them are good or complete but they at least point to a set of principles with logical connections. I've never seen anything remotely close to that for servitors.

no intentions, really. They're compared to a machine because they have a job and do that job

I'd go so far as to say that if you have unintentional servitors, you might should get your head checked.

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And uh, I've read servitor guides.

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Most of them suck really bad and there are only like 3, but they exist.

<Ponytail> that "set of principles" tulpa guides relate back to are FAQ_Man's guide, Irish's guide, and personal experiences

Fact is the tulpa guides suck ass too.

Why would you need a guide for that? It's all the guesswork of tulpas out the door.

Probably practicing a mental skill and sort of channeling it into symbolism. Idk

<Ponytail> It's why Felight's is moral indoctrination and Methos' is terrible

Make something that does what you want. If you did it it worked, if not figure something else out.

Never had interest in it myself

<Ponytail> ~~sorry Felight I had to take a jab at you~~

Hah, moral indoctrination. That's great.

Nice

<Ponytail> it is the best guide out there, but it's still heavily written from the perspective of personal experience

As most are

I wouldn't know. I existed before guides so I think I've got it figured out.

Since that's all anyone has to work off of lol

Servitor Guide: Come up with a selfish purpose for it to fill, force it, refuse to acknowledge it as sentient instead thinking of it as a machine. You can adapt any Tulpa guide to do that.

<Ponytail> Join the masses of older, annoyed members, North, write a guide because you're tired of teaching newbies and you want something copy/paste-able to give them the "right" answers

I did that about four years ago.

<Ponytail> oh right I forgot you had a guide out there

Now I'm just here to see what you guys are talking about.

<Ponytail> @Vampurica you should put that into Submissions

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I tried to write a guide once, it was terrible

My host actually doesn't talk on tulpa servers anymore because she's done with it.

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So here I am.

<Ponytail> I'm writing a guide now, but it is really hard to not get repetitive, I'm finding

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<Ponytail> I should be able to get all the information in seven pages-ish though

Really? I found the hardest part was giving it to people and not having them demand one on one sessions anyways.

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I'm not bitter.

Where were you sharing this guide?

<Ponytail> well, a guide. I don't know, I tend to be pretty good at understanding noobie questions

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<Ponytail> eh, just my server I think I posted the first part

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<Ponytail> I want to get all 7 parts done before I post it elsewhere

that was more at north because they got people demanding one on one sessions, I have never seen that in the past.

3:57 AM

seven parts to a guide sounds impressive, though

Like I said, four years ago.

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People still circulate it. I don't unless someone asks me specifically.

Do you still agree with what you wrote four years ago?

My host prefers giving 1 on 1 sessions over trying to put everything onto paper.

there are many tips that everyone should probably read but no one method that works the same way for everyone

Hm, considering it was written from Malfael's point of view on what tulpas are, and I care little to none what I am because it serves no practical purpose to my existence, sure I agree with all of it.

<Ponytail> I write mostly out of frustration, because I get tired of repeating myself on the same topics over and over. It's why I'm breaking up the guide into 7 sections, it's so I can send just the ONE section to indoctrinate noobies

Maybe ten years ago I would have entertained the idea that it was essential to understand what I am to live, but right now living seems... to be all there is to that.

<Ponytail> ~~Are any of us even real~~

does mal still agree with the guide?

That is why Mal wrote the guide. To stop having to repeat herself. It did not work.

4:00 AM

Which one? She wrote several.

Define "real."

the big one from a few years ago, I assume

The imposition guide has 4.5k hits on the original document alone, not counting some recreations done for specific site formatting. That one, sure. It's simple worksheet style explanation. There's no reason not to agree with simple practice for specific outcomes.

4:03 AM

That's the most popular so I'm going to assume that's "the big one."

the big one would be the guide that covers how to actually make a tulpa from the start, rather than something "small" such as imposition, in my opinion.

Mal doesn't believe in people telling other people what to do with their imagination. I don't think she'd make a guide on that, ever.

but that said, this is hypothetical, I have no idea what guides you've written. I'm more broadly asking if you would agree with your viewpoints on tulpamancy as you expressed them four years ago

4:04 AM

or if your viewpoints have changed with time enough that you'd disagree with yourself four years ago

I disagree with myself on a lot of things from four years ago. That's the nature of wanting to improve.

So with the kinda mechanics of tulpa creation

2:05 AM

how much of it is 'making' something in your head and giving it life, or does it work more like fragmenting a part of yourself and giving it independent thought?

We've never considered ourselves to be fragments of Lyra

2:06 AM

we consider ourselves to be independent of her

okay, that makes sense. have there been any tulpas that function more like the former, or is it pretty stable across the board with how they work?

"Fragments" are more like alter-territory, more than tulpa-territory

My experiences with each have been very different

Tulpas are supposed to be a new personality/person/identity/whatever people want to call it, usually not split off from the host

Fragments don't stick around long, for one

Whats the main difference between an alter and a tulpa?

Alters are usually trauma-induced, while tulpas are intentionally created

2:12 AM

Alters are kinda more like people created to help the main personality in a specific way, like protect them from trauma. Tulpas are created as companions

ah, okay. that makes sense then I suppose. would it be possible though, to make a tulpa but have some of the same characteristics of an alter?

Sure? I don't see why not

or does certian things from an alter 'cheapen' the tulpa?

They already share a lot of characteristics, anyway

2:14 AM

Personally I think people who make tulpas should do it for the tulpas to be their own people + find their own happiness, not just exist to help/protect the host

2:15 AM

unless that's what makes them happy, I guess

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but they should decide that for themselves

I agree, I'm just trying to kinda learn more about the differences between the two and what makes them what.

2:17 AM

so would a 'fragmentation' fade like an alter, as stated above?

Fade like an alter?

Burd said that fragmentations don't stick around for long

2:18 AM

if a more fragmented styled tulpa were to be made, would it 'combine' with the host over time? would they mind that?

It would probably either fade/dissipate, or grow into its own person

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depends on if the host forces it

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I'm not sure how you induce a fragment

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other than symbolically